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Alexander Barry's avatar

Thanks for writing up in more detail! I agree with lots of the points here:

- I especially that purely voluntary arrangements are importantly limited, and that METR is very small compared to the scale of the ask (although growing rapidly at the moment)

I still would still disagree somewhat with the funding and independence claims:

- I think it is very likely that if someone went through all the details of METR's funding they would find that <10% can in any reasonable sense be tracked back to Anthropic or Coefficient Giving/Dustin Moskovitz (and it is plausible it is more like ~0%). METR is quite unusual as organisation in this space in how much they have tried to avoid these funding sources.

- I think this overstates the actual strength of social connections etc. between METR staff (especially leadership) and the labs. But I still directionally agree that we would ideally want auditors to have a high degree of separation (and more than there currently is)

I also didn't have the takeaway from Dario's post that (to unfairly paraphrase the impression I get from your post) "We will embed METR and then that will totally great and sufficient" given that it is just part of the 1st step of the three steps he lays out, and step 2 is then a call for governmental regulation. But it still seems reasonable to look at the embedded evaluator stuff in isolation.

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>METR appears to have, mostly, cut that tie, but its most recent funding includes ten million dollars from a RAND Corporation program that was, in turn, funded by Coefficient Giving

Sorry, where did you find the 10 million dollars that went from RAND to METR?

METR's About page lists a buch of orgs that funded them, but does not list the RAND Corporation as a funding source. Your sources just list money going from Coefficient Giving to RAND, but no indication that RAND funded METR.

What seems to have taken place is:

The Audacious Project pools money from different funders, and gives it to recipient organization. METR and RAND are recipient organizations that together got 37 million in this project in 2024; 10 million of which came from Coefficient Giving and went to RAND according to your sources. RAND did not give out any money as part of this, and METR's share of the 37 million came from other funders but Coefficient Giving.

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